How Do You Solve A Problem Like the Pashtun?
Charlie: Thank you for the introduction and the welcome.
Against the backdrop of the joint Afghan & Canadian operations against Taliban fighters near Kandahar it seems appropriate to take a look at the current issue of International Security which has two articles on Afghanistan. Each takes a look at a different aspect of the roots of the security challenges there and provides some competing policy recommendations for the US and its allies.
The Arguments
First off, in "The Rise of Afghanistan’s Insurgency," Seth Jones explores the emergence of the insurgency in Afghanistan in the wake of Operation Enduring Freedom. Jones argues that the dominant explanations for the emergence of internal conflict/civil wars offered by the social science literature (grievances, particularly of the ethnic variety and economic opportunism) do not apply to Afghanistan.
On the ethnic front, he contends that there is not much evidence to support the ethnic grievance argument: only certain Pashtun groups support the Taliban, while the central government has done a reasonable job of balancing representation among the country’s various ethnic groups. On the economic front, poppy cultivation and narco-trafficking are a result, in his estimation, of the insurgency/instability, not its cause.
Instead, Jones makes the case that the collapse of authority in Afghanistan post-OEF and the new government’s inability to provide basic services as well as law & order across the country created the necessary space for an insurgency to emerge. That is did so is attributed to Jones’ second factor: the radical Sunni ideologies of the Taliban, Hisb-i-Islami and Al Qaeda. In this situation: "Much of the local Afghan population was motivated to support the Taliban—or too fearful to oppose it—because of governance failure."
From an academic perspective, Jones can say with some justification that his arguments (which probably appear to be fairly straightforward to many readers of this blog) are challenging some of the orthodoxy on internal conflict. Without slighting Jones, however, this is probably as much an indictment of the state of social science research on insurgencies as anything else.
In contrast to Jones’ structural based argument with its focus on governance, Thomas Johnson and Chris Mason advance a cultural argument in "No Sign Until the Burst of Fire." Drawn crudely they are telling us "It’s the Pashtuns, stupid!" Since October 2001, thousands of Taliban fighters and their senior leadership have found sanctuary in Pakistan’s FATA, NWFP and Baluchistan. As Johnson and Mason point out,
These areas coincide almost exclusively with the area of Pakistan overwhelmingly dominated by the Pashtun ethnic group. The Taliban and the other Islamic extremist insurgent elements operating on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border are almost exclusively Pashtuns, with a sprinkling of radicals from non-border ethnicities. The implications of this salient fact—that most of Pakistan’s and Afghanistan’s violent religious extremism, and with it much of the United States’ counterterrorism challenge, are centered within a single ethno linguistic group—have not been fully grasped by a governmental policy community that has long downplayed cultural dynamics.
With this observation in hand, the authors ask an important question: Why have the Pashtuns been so accommodating to the Taliban/Al Qaeda while their tribal neighbors (be they Baluch, Uighurs or Chitrals) have largely resisted these radical Islamic ideologies?
Johnson and Mason point to the unique social code of Pashtunwali (the way of the Pashtun), which holds personal independence, honor, revenge and chivalry as sacrosanct. According to the authors, Pashtunwali has long made the Pashtun inherently conservative, resistant to external authority and engendered a consensual form of governance and decision-making within tribes. It has also, at times, made them susceptible to religious insurgencies when their society came under great pressure be it internal or external.
Over the last thirty years, Pashtun society has come under sustained assault. The Pakistani state’s attempts to foster Islam (rather than ethnicity) as the primary identity in the Northeast (which was aided and abetted by the Saudis and their "gentle and inclusive" brand of Islam), following Bangladeshi independence, coupled with the mass dislocations of Pashtuns in the wake of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (which for many meant life in refugee camps away from "traditional" village society), combined to shred the Pashtuns social fabric while increasingly radicalizing them. In many places, the traditional role played by tribal elders and jirgas was usurped by mullahs. As a result, the Pashtun tribal structures have been eroded by Islamist extremism. While Jones and Mason note that the Taliban is hardly the first "mad mullah movement" to beset the Pashtuns, the length of its tenure (both in Afghanistan and in "exile" in Pakistan) has allowed it to alter Pashtun society in ways that previous jihadi movements were unable to do.
The Recommendations
Following on from his belief that the lack of governance is at the heart of the matter, Jones advocates extending "governance into the rural areas of the country. This includes providing key essential services such as electricity to the population." These efforts are to be coupled with the establishment of effective law & order. This will require increasing the abilities of the police while curbing the power of the warlords. At present, Jones estimates that there is a gap in the security forces (Afghan + NATO/U.S.) of 150,000. With NATO countries largely unwilling to contribute more troops and the U.S. largely unable to do so, training and mentoring local Afghan forces will be a high priority. Finally, Jones believes that the U.S. must lean heavily (via loan/aid conditionality) on the new civilian government in Pakistan to assert its authority in FATA and Baluchistan, making a more sustained effort to capture or disrupt the jihadists based there.
Johnson and Mason take issue with the view that the Pashtun areas in Southeastern Afghanistan and Northeastern Pakistan should be viewed as "ungoverned space." Instead they contend that these tribal areas have been and are best controlled by the "complex and sophisticated conflict-resolution mechanisms, legal codes and alternative forms of governance [which] have developed in the region for over a millennia." (i.e. Pashtunwali). According to Johnson and Mason attempting to extend governance to the Pashtuns from the center (i.e. the policy advocated by Jones) is exactly the wrong thing to do. Rather, "the short-term solution for bringing the Pashtun lands back from the radical brink is to strengthen and rebuild the tribal structures from the inside while reducing the pressures on them from the outside, rather than the current policy of doing the opposite." In regards to Afghanistan, a specific recommendation they offer is to amend the constitution so that provincial governors and deputy governors are directly elected, rather than appointed by Kabul.
So…increased central authority or increased autonomy for the Pashtuns? Which will it be?
Fortunately, both articles agree on the need to "bring rapid improvements in everyday people’s lives." This may seem to be a banal point, but Johnson and Mason contend that "the level of nonsecurity-related (i.e., police and army) aid actually reaching the Pashtun people in Afghanistan since the U.S. invasion has been shockingly low, less than $5 per Pashtun per year, an astonishingly miserly effort considering the critical strategic nature of the region."
Assessment
Jones’ policy advice is, as he readily admits, rather conventional. The real challenge is its implementation over the long-term. Troy would have liked to see a more extensive discussion/appreciation of the need to develop institutions a part of a "governance strategy." For example, police are largely useless if they can not be backed by courts, a functioning justice ministry, etc.
Turning to Johnson and Mason, Troy has to admit some biases here: Not being schooled in cultural anthropology, he tends to incline towards governance based arguments about insurgency. No one would deny that culture can "matter" in shaping the perception or outlook of an individual, however, at the same time Troy tends to have problems when "culture" is advanced as "the" key explanatory variable.
More particularly, can we really say that there is some immutable cultural characteristic/practice such as Pashtunwali that explained Pashtun behavior in the 19th century as well as today? Troy suspects that Johnson and Mason are "over-egging" their argument a bit with some of the "noble Pathan on the frontier" material that the Victorians used to peddle. It is not even clear that we can say there is a single Pashtunwali that applies equally across the various Pashtun dominated areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
That being said, Johnson and Mason do make an interesting case and their recommended policy runs diametrically opposite to what Troy understands to be the current strategy in Afghanistan. It would be interesting to see what Kip and Londonstani (himself a violent Pashtun if his profile is to be believed) would have to say on this matter, as well as any of the readers.
Update: Stephen Pampinella attempts to bridge the arguments made by both Jones and Johnson & Mason by invoking Alex Wendt in an interesting post titled Deconstructing the Taliban.
42 comments:
So my thought would be: why is it incumbent on foreign powers (I almost wrote "foreign busybodies") to do all this Pashtun-building? Is there any empirical proof that giving every Pashtun his and her own olive tree and a donkey will transform their society into peaceful pastoralists? And, more specifically, one that will WELCOME all these foreign busybodies trying to infuse them with hygiene, drainage, iPods and gender equity?
The traditional imperial solution to the "wild people" was to butcher them, bribe them or leave them alone. I don't see evidence that these solutions, imposed by outsiders, will be an improvement on the older "solutions" any more than putting lipstick on a pig makes the pig Angelina Jolie.
ISTM that we've invest a hell of a lot of time and money in these think-tank notions without seeing any tangible results. I'm not saying they won't work, just that I'd sure expect someone to have tried some version of them before and succeeded somewhere before applying them here. No?
Afghanistan and the FATA have seen nothing much but war and rumors of war for the past thirty years. ISTM that we may have the whole thing bass-ackwards. Rather than try to "rebuild" Pashtun tribal structures with one hand while bombing the living piss out of them with the other...the solution MIGHT be to try and back away and let the place settle down somewhat (even if it means letting the Karzaistas go under) while buying and bribing and suborning the most likely Pashtun and other tribal leadership to turn against their takifiri elements.
I'm not sure that the West has the patience and subtlety to do that. But it sounds like it's worth a try.
I won't comment until I have read Jones article (it's been sitting on my desktop for a while). But I would like to throw in another social science factor to the mix: demographics. Afghanistan's population has doubled since 1979. There can never be a return to way things were in the rural areas before 1978. This demographic growth is especially significant for our uses here since Afghanistan has such of high proportioned rural population.
Less resources, less land, degraded soil, difficult to support children, etc...
Maybe the Westphalian nation-state doesn't work universally and that there are people who would rather organize and assemble themselves in other ways. We keep trying to force the world into the paradigm of the nation-state, but maybe that's not such a good idea.
fdchief is basically right. But we're going to have to kill large numbers of the military-age males in the Pak-Afghan tribal belt while suborning those tribes that still have a surviving and viable tribal leadership. Problem is that much of the Pathan tribal leadership has been destroyed over the last 30 years of conflict (with the Soviets,and then the intramural party they had post-1989)
The Taliban came into that vacuum and have effectively supplanted the traditional tribal structures for a large percentage of young Pathan males, many of whom grew up as orphans in the NWFP. So, the Taliban is the closest thing they have to a tribal identity (or family). Plus, they were weaned on Wahhabism in camps from the Khyber Pass to Karachi. Hard to imagine deprogramming that many people.
For these guys, fighting for the Taliban is their only possible destiny. We'll have to kill them and be prepared to accept significant casualties.
Bribing the tribes could possibly work, but there are Talibs in every tribe. I don't know of any tribe on either side of the border that doesn't have a substantial Taliban element. We may have to work our way down to clan-level.
Frankly speaking, this effort in Afghanistan is failing. Without the injection of maybe a 100k shooters-- and a willingness to hold territory-- and broad-based deal with the Pakistanis, this thing will just be a bleeding stalemate, with the Talibs slowly gaining the upper hand.
All this while Pakistan edges towards anarchy.
"Much of the local Afghan population was motivated to support the Taliban—or too fearful to oppose it—because of governance failure."
In addition to the excellent points made above: Religious programming, demographics, lack of pashtun traditional leadership etc. comes the fact that the Taleban rule was in large parts of (male) southern Afghanistan seen as pretty legitimate. Sure they chopped heads and such, but in Afghanistan, that is not seen as much of a problem by many traditionalists. It was largely a government for the pashtuns, by the pashtuns. What you have now is, in many pashtuns eyes , a quisling regime. Now, how do you make those function?
Kai Eide had some good news in Norwegian press yesterday, having been to Russia in order to make them go and meditate with the Pashtun leaders. An interesting move, he is going to China soon too, to gain backup for a UN-focused shift in the Afghan theatre I suppose. This seems to me like a *very* good idea, for a number of reasons I have mentioned before.
"Rather, "the short-term solution for bringing the Pashtun lands back from the radical brink is to strengthen and rebuild the tribal structures from the inside while reducing the pressures on them from the outside, rather than the current policy of doing the opposite."
Of course, something like this is entirely too rational, and while I think the odds of it being successful would be rather high - it simply doesn't fit the current military/diplomatic/economic conundrum paradigm, and is therefore likely to be dismissed out of hand.
Back to the trenches guys.
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"Finally, Jones believes that the U.S. must lean heavily (via loan/aid conditionality) on the new civilian government in Pakistan to assert its authority in FATA and Baluchistan, making a more sustained effort to capture or disrupt the jihadists based there."
This is a flawed strategy. Our incentives for Pakistan to remove jihadists from the FATA is conditional. To the Pakistanis, this means that once our conditions are met, the U.S. no longer has an interest.
Terrorists in Pakistan = U.S. aid. No terrorists, no aid.
Pakistan understands this. It is our national policy pattern to leave as soon as we get the job done to our liking (or to the limit of US public support), regardless of the mess left behind (i.e., post Soviet Afghanistan).
It is not enough to give conditional aid/loans to Pakistan in the hope that they will align themselves with our national interests. I don't know how, but we must find a way to ensure the Pakistani government to ignore history and trust that the aid and support we are giving them will not evaporate when the terrorists are defeated. Otherwise, it will be a battle with no end because the Pakistanis will prolong it through passive or active support of the terrorists in order to prolong the aid/support of the US. This is not being cynical, this is simply the reality of what is happening on the ground today.
We are being played.
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It sounds to me that both of these works are based on extremely limited "on the ground" experience. Might I recommend www.sarahchayes.net? Sarah dealt with this issue back in November of 2007 in her Washington Post Article "A Mullah Dies, and War Comes Knocking".
She very succinctly, and I feel accurately, laid out the case as to why the Taliban is gaining traction in Kandahar: mainly by Pakistan's complicity and the widespread Afghan Federal Govt sponsored corruption. Also, the death of Mullah Naqib the local leader of the Alokozai in Arghandab.
May I remind you gentlemen that America's federal government was created after 300 years of successful (enough) local government that gradually built into a tied in system of federalism.
Trying to do it "bass-ackwards" as we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is an easy task - so long as we ignore everything we know about history and human nature. Good thing there are people like Sarah to remind us of our Hubris at least.
"I don't know how, but we must find a way to ensure the Pakistani government to ignore history and trust that the aid and support we are giving them will not evaporate when the terrorists are defeated."
BG: The problem is, as I see it, that we still cling to the idea of the Westphalian state. What Pakistani government? Wich of the Pakistani governments? Wich religious authorities in Pakistan are "we" supporting? Wich Pakistani political traditions? The experiment with ms. Bhutto didnt work out too well, so what now? At the moment the leading politicans and the judiciary is calling for the presidents execution, on a fair legal ground. (He did the same to mr. Bhutto for reasons much the same as those he is guilty/accuased off himself). Do the US state *understand* Pakistan? Is there any authorative political analysis of the various factions and religious subgroupings there, and of their alliances within the pashtun areas?
As with pre-invasion Iraq, do the west have any contacts that are not oxford-speaking sharks touting their own agenda? Do we support any grassroots-movements post-Kashmir quake? Do we have a clue where its all going?
Again, I think(hope) that a Obama administration can and will as its first act start to do a comprehensive cultural, economical, religious and political study of the whole region, not as a set of nationstates but as a integrated cultural and political landscape consisting of almost endless layers of complexity. (In Pashtunia, a "Sons of Pashtunia" movement might be possible, if we do clever IO-ops backed with lots of money...?)
Good to see you here, btw.
Exsqweezme,
Right on in your comments on Sarah Chayes. She is an impressive woman who believes that the main issue in Afghanistan is that the Afghans want a government that is neither Popalzai nor Ghilzai nor Pashtun nor Tajik but rather plays the role of fair arbiter. Her deep disappointment with the governor of Kandahar as well as Wali Karzai (brother of the President and leader of the Provincial Council), however, are the underlying thought process behind much of her current criticism of our efforts (which is not to say that she is necessarily wrong about them).
Kip
"...the Afghans want a government that is neither Popalzai nor Ghilzai nor Pashtun nor Tajik but rather plays the role of fair arbiter."
I have to say that, while if I was an American I'd agee to this (since that has been the ideal role for our government since the 1790s or so) is there any proof that Afghan tribesmen feel this way? Their history certainly gives support to it. Give or take the odd strongman, the government in Kabul has typically either been a cipher or the pawn for tribal ambitions. Western attempts to introduce someone favorable to Western interests (think Shuja Shah Durrani) typically resulted in a coup, an assassination or both.
Again; we're throwing out all these elborate schemes - kill all the MAMs, introduce Western sanitary infrastructure - into a place that has been a loosely organized, sub-Westphalian tribal mess since the 11th Century or so. Elaborate has consistantly failed in Afghanistan since Alxander's time. Is there any reason to assume that it will work this tome around?
"...their history gives NO support to it."
Changes the meaning somewhat, sorry.
"May I remind you gentlemen that America's federal government was created after 300 years of successful (enough) local government that gradually built into a tied in system of federalism."
Huh? WTF? Are we talking about the same America that is the big blue blob in the middle of the North American continent on my Rand McNally world map?
Cause THAT America was created from a group of colonial entities by a congress of Eighteenth Century poltical and social elites from a combination of their experience with the parlimentary system of the original European colonial power, England, and their understanding of the democratic political philosophers of the day. The creation took less than twenty years from the original Revolution, was created ab nihilo, had nothing to do with feudalism other than the feudal legacies imported from the mother country such as the Magna Carta and was self-imposed on an essentially peaceful, politicaly united country.
What this has to do with Afghanistan I can't imagine.
And, speaking generally, I find it hard to believe that the problems around Kandahar are as simple as "Pakistan's complicity...the widespread Afghan Federal Govt sponsored corruption (and)...the death of Mullah Naqib the local leader of the Alokozai in Arghandab." A tribal mess like Afghanistan, overlain by the lace doily of Western state institutions, reived by thirty years of war, skewed by foreign intervention...I can't imagine anything equally complex. Trying to create some sort of nonsectarian, nontribal modern state seems like trying to build one of those really complex little Lego Star Wars models while someone pops in at random and whacks you upside the head. ISTM that the time, effort, cost and political steadfastness needed exceeds anything I've seen in this country's history.
The alternative, of course, is to exterminate the brutes. Attila and Scipio Africanus would recommend the latter.
I don't see a middle way.
Both articles are deeply problematic, and I think serve as a poor foundation for any discussion of "The Pashtun Problem" (nice implication there, Troy).
Jones' main thesis, that the Taliban were a legitimate authority whose collapsed created the conditions for insurgency, is fundamentally flawed: there was an active insurgency along the borders of Afghanistan for at least 26 years at that point, going back to the foundation of Hezb-i Islami by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. That the Taliban was successful in exiling or suppressing these groups, is irrelevant: they existed, and were active in many areas.
The Johnson and Mason article is tripe -- mostly ethnic stereotypes, passages practically cribbed from Dupree, contradictory and illogical discussions of what pashtunwali is, and a really shoddy and incomplete understanding of Afghanistan's history (I criticized that article at length some time ago).
Furthermore, the idea that Pashtuns are a problem in need of solving is beyond silly: they are no more problematic than anyone else, save their resilience under foreign domination. By refusing to work through their own established institutions, and by ignoring their history, both ancient and recent, we have created the conditions to marginalize them.
In other words, the problem to be solved is us. Not them.
"FDChief" --
Please take this in the spirit it's being asked (which is not hostile), but how does one have a 'sub-Westphalian tribal mess' in the 11th century? And what do you think existed before then?
Great post Troy,
I would love to exploit my background to claim some sort of expertise on Pashtunology but I'm afraid any input I can offer is limited to what i have gained from a few trips visiting relatives in the areas in question and being around when these issues were discussed.
In general, I don't go for using history as a portal to explain a group of people's present day actions. Particularly, in cases such as the Pashtuns when you arent even really talking history, but myth and legend.
But in broadstrokes it seems to me that the whole Pak/Afghan border area has maintained a theme for over a thousand years: It's either been a sanctury for people fleeing the grasp of the major surrounding powers or a staging post to raid and conquer the same said surrounding powers.
At the same time, the area has always been seen as a hotbed of religious fervour (by not only the British but also the Mughuls and pre-Mughul Muslim powers in India). However, that fervour is not a constant. It arises when a host of factors converge, including; the opportunity for plunder and the appearance of a common enemy who can unite tribes in hostility. But more often than not, tribal and national (Pashtun) interests can trump the call of an Islamic cause.
The Salafis have a long history in Pahstun areas. See Charles Allen's God's Terrorists. Syed Ahmed in the 19th century took refuge and then led Pashtun tribes against Sikh rulers. His ultimate aim was to kick the British out of India. They were willing to go along with that as long as it meant they got rid of the Sikh's in Peshawar.
But the Salafis and the Pashtuns arent always the most natural of buddies. When Syed Ahmed scored a victory and tried to get the Pashtun to follow the Sharia instead of Pashtunwali, they chucked him out. Similarly, Bin Laden's salafis had tumultuous relations with their Afghan hosts .. one example that springs to mind is the issue of decorating martyrs graves.
I read an interview with Bin Laden's Afghan housekeeper that has always summed up the relationship between political Salafis and Pashtuns. It went something like this:
Interviewer: "What was Bin Laden like?"
Housekeeper: "He was a good Muslim. He prayed and spent his money making schools and hospitals."
Interviewer: "Did he tell you where he was going?"
Housekeeper: "Before he left, he said to me 'It's time to return home.' Then he joked and winked, 'It's time to do my duty to my wives.'
"I didnt like that. We Afghans don't speak about our women in this way."
The most useful insight I can offer on running the Pashtun areas is not my own but something relayed to me by an older relation whose job it was to do just that for the Pakistani government in the 70s and early 80s.
He suggests that the power in charge has to present itself as neutral and be seen to play the role of arbitrator in inter tribal fighting while making it known and seen that it has its hands on the money bags and can dole out infrastructure.
But, this by itself isnt enough. The ruling power cant be seen to be "against Islam". Now, every Pashtun knows that Pakistan is run by whiskey-soaked urban intellectuals with strong ties to the US and UK but as long as they talked "Muslim bomb", "We hate India" etc, the hardcore salafists didnt have the ideological space to gain traction. As soon as Pakistan became an ally in the "War on Terror", it opened up a window of opportunity for AQ.
I would argue that pre-War on Terror, the US would have had excellent prospects of administering the border area if it had decided to. US support for Israel damages the popular image of the US in Cairo, Beirut etc... but that issue alone didnt tip the balance against the US amongst Pashtun when it was also well regarded as the power that supplied the weapons to defeat the USSR.
Jason Burke's book al Qaeda lays out how the original Taliban's ideology was largely disconnected from the vague but strongly felt antipathy the Muslim world holds towards US foreign policy.
In Afghanistan as elsewhere, on a grunt level, AQ (of various stripes) has gone around telling everyone "i told you they want to destroy Islam", and that message has generally been believed. The tragedy for the US is this mindset is gaining adherents where it didn't before.
What to do with the Pashtun? Figuring it out isnt a job I would take up. It seems to me, improving the situation on a medium or long term level is now dependent on what happens (or is seen to happen) in Iraq, Palestinian Territories etc. Whatever officials on the ground do will be seen on ground level through this prism.
PS. I would go with Joshua on this.
The Pashtun areas are doing their thing as they have done for a long time. The "problem" largely is the the US/coalition forces is as much as how should they deal with them while pursuing their policy aims.
The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 06/20/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.
International Security isn't really worth the paper it is printed on anymore. It is neither current nor on the cutting edge academically. I would suggest looking elsewhere for COIN wisdom.
"Please take this in the spirit it's being asked (which is not hostile), but how does one have a 'sub-Westphalian tribal mess' in the 11th century? And what do you think existed before then?"
One has the lack of any vestige of a nation-state or feudal commandatory, in other words, what most of the rest of the world looked like outside the centralized polities like the feudal states of Europe, imperial Japan and China, the African kingdoms such as Songhai and the MesoAmerican/South American empires.
And, of course, it was like that way the hell back when Alexander marched through and before.
My point was ans is simply that we're trying to make a Western brick out of Central Asian soil. As you deftly pointed out: the "problem" isn't what they want. It's that we want something they neither appear to have ever wanted nor do they particularly want it now.
Excellent first post
"The "problem" largely is the the US/coalition forces is as much as how should they deal with them while pursuing their policy aims."
Or perhaps it is that the "policy aims" of the US/coalition forces are poorly integrated where they are integrated at all, badly thought out, and ill-designed for the peoples and places they are being attempted?
I suspect that something of the issue here is that we (i.e. we Westerners) have lost our capability to understand tribal thinking. We've been post-tribal for so long that we tend to think of the old personal and family ties and loyalties as something fungible. Problems with Pir Ali? Give the man a tractor, some sewers, a new school! He'll love ya, baby, true fact!
And in general Western and agricultural/mechanical societies have always had a hard time figuring out what to do when they collide with tribal/pastoral/nomadic (i.e. "outsider") societies that don't want to Westernize. Historically, success for the Westerners has meant either straightforward conquest, genocide or both. We're trying something different here, and I'm not convinced that anyone, including either of these articles, has a convincing argument that this non-genocidal approach will work.
It is one of the most undisputed axioms that history is of compulsory relevance for todays geopolitical situations.
Nowhere does this apply more than in the case of the Pathan tribes in the North Western part of the Indian subcontinent.
They have always defined themselves, not as united society but as clans, which sometimes live in peace with each other and some times wage war, depending on the power balance and vendettas. In times of threat against their lifestyle(plundering, raids against neighbours, rebellion against a central power) they have fighted as temporarily allied geographic entities (Mohmands,upper and lower Swat, Mamunds), and not as nation.
Their practice of Islam is no less radical or extremistic than that of the Talibans which in part explains why the latter do meet so few obstacles when proselytizing the Pathans.
I firmly believe that any attempt to treat the Pathan subcultures as one nation will fail. The antagonisms between the tribes, deeply rooted in more or less open conflicts since centuries, sometimes emanating from family matters will prohibit such a policy to be successful.
I think that Winston S. Churchills recipe for the pacification of the Pathan tribes, in his "The story of the Malakand field force" is valid.
That recipe includes the demonstration and proving to the tribes that free communications, undisturbed trade lines and private enterprising, including doing business with people of other faiths than Islam are the keys to prosperity.
In short, representatives of a liberal market ideology have to demonstrate the superior advantages of the latter in a way that even the Pathans understand, irrespective of clan belonging.
Again, has anyone tried to appeal to their honour by showing them how AQ are actual apostates and murderes of children? Shown the tribes pics of the results of AQI and given their mullahs evidence that these slaughters were okd by bin Laden? In short, appealed to their religious honour, instead of treating them like vermin? The pashtunwali cuts not just both ways, but all ways, pun intended.
Fnord,
Last post-appeal to religious honor, or the Takfiri narrative if you like - was the most helpful suggestion. It won't stop it of course, but it will peel off support and undermine A.Q. In fact, the leader of the Anbar Awakening offered to take an expeditionary force to Afghanistan to fight A.Q.
We've got great, ready made PR/I.O here for free, but all the policy wonkers can do is come up with more of the same that has not worked.
I realize Afghanistan will need more money, more govt functioning security and services, and we should be training or putting in enough shooters to get control. But why is it we never make the case for doing so in ways that would actually undermine the Takfiri enemy, but instead make policy recommendations that are tailored for the DC/UN "market"?*
*which it is.
I am no expert on Afghanistan and haven't been there, but what gets me is apparently no one in DC is either. Sometimes I think they think the solutions are either 1) The Great Society, 2) Wilsonian adventures in Democracy building, or 3) Gen Jack Ripper and bomb ‘em into the stone age. And these schools (or maybe Beltway tribes would be better) on principle never give ground or open up their minds.
We also need to remember this is a problem that can't be ignored. This was the staging area for the attacks on New York, DC, London to name a few. Oh and don't forget the 60 nukes, and AQ Khan selling the knowledge.
As far as what type of government they want to live under, that's their business unless they are going outside their country to kill others. I would humbly suggest we stick with tradition, and act as the fair arbiter as needed.
Joshua Foust, not sure what to make of the "the problem to be solved is us. Not them." If you mean doing our homework, yes.
If you mean their dysfunctions are our fault, respectfully Sir you are flirting with the self-haters.
BG – we are being played. Of course. Always.
Ooops..I meant the problem is not doing our homework.
I am personally troubled by Joshua Foust’s (a self-described Central Asian expert who is totally unpublished and inexperienced as far as I can tell) ad hominem and unprofessional remarks concerning serious scholars and their research. His trademark of unsubstantiated attacks serves no purpose and are a distraction to the serious dialogue of abu muqawana. He basically appears to act as an attack agent for his employer -- the controversial Human Terrain System. But of course he hides this fact from one and all.
Elf, I meant that we need to do our homework. Which we do. Big time.
As for anonymous, while I don't want to speak in the name of the site owners, I'd suggest trolling elsewhere. My background has no relation to the substance of what I say -- either my criticisms of many Afghanistan "experts" with reputations beyond their abilities is accurate and damning, or they are not. That is where your argument lies.
It seems I struck a chord. My apologies, as my criticisms are not meant to be personal; in my defense, I at least write under my own name.
"He basically appears to act as an attack agent for his employer -- the controversial Human Terrain System. But of course he hides this fact from one and all."
Woo, a fullblown paranoid intellectual. Is it Johnson or Mason who wrote this fine example of academic personal drivel? Foust, take it as a compliment.
"Why have the Pashtuns been so accommodating to the Taliban/Al Qaeda while their tribal neighbors (be they Baluch, Uighurs or Chitrals) have largely resisted these radical Islamic ideologies?"
Another questions could be, why in the February 2008 elections, did the Awami National Party, a Pashtun- nationalist party, yet peaceful and quite Taliban-hating, sweep the Northwest Frontier Province and the coalition of radical religious parties (the MMA) get routed?
Perhaps the Pashtuns aren't so 'accommodating' as the authors are generalizing?
Partha has a thread worth exploring. Let TTP do as much of the alienating their base as possible.
I must have missed the time Foust was an "attack dog" for anyone but himself, but considering the egos involved, it's probably Johnson.
Re: "..it's probably Johnson."
I really, really, really doubt it. And I'm sure an IP check by the people here at AM would show that the server for the earlier "anonymous" is not anywhere near Johnson's current locale.
Perhaps this is enough slander for today?
fdchief ... I'll give it to you that you're well-versed in not only the history of Afghanistan, but of the US and the foreign policy of the the "busybodies". It's given you a tremendous tool in picking apart everyone's comments with cute references to Angelina Jolie and iPods. Mind enlightening all of us? Rather than selecting a sentence from someone else's comment, ignoring the context, and firing away ... Why don't you propose a solution? Where does all your negativity take us in terms of policy and action? My guess is inaction? That would seem to fit your MO ...
Well, I surely wont speak for the FDchief, that he can do alone, but one first step would be to adress the 100% rise in breadprices in Northern Afghanistan. Subsidize, subsidize, and get this free-market occupation nonsense out of the way.
I have a question......
What would happen if NATO/ISFA just left Afghanistan? and the US government told Pakistan to "take a walk"?
I don't mean "give up the fight" Could we napalm/bomb their poppy fields, etc. and not get involved on the ground (with with exception of a few special forces) to target
a few known Taliban such as mullah Omar.
I'm not asking this to be a "smart aleck" I wonder if it is worth it to bother with this part of the world. Obviously, these folks like their backward lifestyles...
Why force them to change?
Why not, just cut off the aid and the armies and let these folks fight it out?
Sorry, if I upset anyone....
Fnord,
Free market occupation: if that's happening, yes, end it.
Bread: Now you do realize we will have to handle the money; hand it to the bakery, then escort the bread virtually to the mouth of the peasant to make sure that doesn't become a bread for opium racket, right? Otherwise it's a good idea.
elf: Giving the (former Taleban) mullahs responsibility for overseeing that the bakers dont overcharge for the bread made by the flour you sell them at subsidized prices could be a great start, especially if you have independent commisions going in and rooting out the most corrupt of these. It would give prestige to the mosques, and tie them into the COIN work in a nice way. ?
Anonymous Last:
What would happen if NATO/ISFA just left Afghanistan? and the US government told Pakistan to "take a walk"?
I don't mean "give up the fight" Could we napalm/bomb their poppy fields, etc. and not get involved on the ground (with with exception of a few special forces) to target
a few known Taliban such as mullah Omar.
You mean like the 90s? I seem to recall that not working out very well.
Thanks for the link!
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